Concise Minutes - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee

Meeting Venue:

Committee room 4 Tŷ Hywel and video

Conference via Zoom

Meeting date: Wednesday, 22 October 2025

Meeting time: 09.15 - 12.00
This meeting can be viewed
on Senedd TV at:
http://senedd.tv/en/15377

Hybrid

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Attendance

Category	Names
Members of the Senedd:	Llyr Gruffydd MS (Chair) Sam Rowlands MS Delyth Jewell MS Rhys ab Owen MS Julie Morgan MS Carolyn Thomas MS Joyce Watson MS
Witnesses:	Julie James MS, Counsel General and Minister for Delivery Catrin Dellar, Welsh Government Alex Walters, Welsh Government Cléo Senior-Lemaitre, Welsh Government
Committee Staff:	Marc Wyn Jones (Notifications Only) (Clerk) Manon George (Clerk) Elizabeth Wilkinson (Second Clerk) Lukas Evans Santos (Deputy Clerk) Sam Mason (Legal Adviser)

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1 Introductions, apologies, substitutions, and declarations of interest

1.1 The Chair welcomed Members to the meeting.

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2 Bus Services (Wales) Bill - Stage 2 Proceedings

2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

Amendment 23 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 23 was not agreed.

Amendment 24 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 24 was not agreed.

Amendment 25 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 25 was not agreed.

Amendment 55 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 55 was not agreed.

Amendment 56 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 56 was not agreed.

Amendment 57 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 57 was not agreed.

Amendment 26 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 26 was not agreed.

Amendment 27 (Sam Rowlands MS) was not moved.

Amendment 58 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 58 was not agreed.

Amendment 28 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 28 was not agreed.

Amendment 59 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 29 (Sam Rowlands MS) was not moved.

Amendment 60 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 60 was not agreed.

Amendment 30 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 30 was not agreed.

Amendment 61 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS) was not moved.

Amendment 31 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment  31 was not agreed.

Amendment 62 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 63 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS) was not moved.

Amendment 64 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment  64 was not agreed.

Amendment 32 (Sam Rowlands MS) was not moved.

Amendment 65 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 65 was not agreed.

Amendment 33 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 33 was not agreed.

Amendment 34 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 34 was not agreed.

Amendment 1 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 2 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 35 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 35 was not agreed.

Amendment 66 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 66 was not agreed.

Amendment 67 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Delyth Jewell MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Julie Morgan MS
	Joyce Watson MS
	Sam Rowlands MS
Amendment 67 was not agreed.

Amendment 36 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 36 was not agreed.

Amendment 49 (Rhys ab Owen MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 49 was not agreed.

Amendment 50 (Rhys ab Owen MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 50 was not agreed.

Amendment 51 (Rhys ab Owen MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment  51 was not agreed.

Amendment 68 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Delyth Jewell MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Julie Morgan MS
	Joyce Watson MS
	Sam Rowlands MS
Amendment 68 was not agreed.

Amendment 3 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 37 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 37 was not agreed.

Amendment 4 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 69 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Delyth Jewell MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Julie Morgan MS
	Joyce Watson MS
	Sam Rowlands MS
Amendment 69 was not agreed.

Amendment 38 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 38 was not agreed.

Amendment 52 (Rhys ab Owen MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 52 was not agreed.

Amendment 53 (Rhys ab Owen MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 53 was not agreed.

Amendment 54 (Rhys ab Owen MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 54 was not agreed.

Amendment 70 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Delyth Jewell MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Julie Morgan MS
	Joyce Watson MS
	Sam Rowlands MS
Amendment 70 was not agreed.

Amendment 5 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 6 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 7 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 8 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 9 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 10 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 11 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 12 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 39 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS	Delyth Jewell MS
	Julie Morgan MS	Llyr Gruffydd MS
	Joyce Watson MS
Amendment 39 was not agreed.

Amendment 71 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment  71 was not agreed.

Amendment 40 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 40 was not agreed.

Amendment 72 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Delyth Jewell MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Julie Morgan MS
	Joyce Watson MS
	Sam Rowlands MS
Amendment 72 was not agreed.

Amendment 41 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment  41 was not agreed.

Amendment 42 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 42 was not agreed.

Amendment 73 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 73 was not agreed.

Amendment 13 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 43 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 43 was not agreed.

Amendment 14 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 74 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 74 was not agreed.

Amendment 44 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 44 was not agreed.

Amendment 75 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 75 was not agreed.

Amendment 45 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 45 was not agreed.

Amendment 46 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 46 was not agreed.

Amendment 47 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 47 was not agreed.

Amendment 76 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 76 was not agreed.

Amendment 48 (Sam Rowlands MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS	Delyth Jewell MS
	Julie Morgan MS
	Joyce Watson MS
	Llyr Gruffydd MS
Amendment 48 was not agreed.

Amendment 77 (Peredur Owen Griffiths MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Sam Rowlands MS	Carolyn Thomas MS
Delyth Jewell MS	Julie Morgan MS
Llyr Gruffydd MS	Joyce Watson MS
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 77 was not agreed.

Amendment 15 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 16 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 17 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 18 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 19 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 20 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 21 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 22 (Ken Skates MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

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3 Papers to note

3.1 The papers were noted.

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3.1 Rewilding Wales

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3.2 Phytosanitary Conditions (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2025

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